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		<title>By: Life Without Electricity - Love and Trash, A DIY blog for people who do things differently.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Life Without Electricity - Love and Trash, A DIY blog for people who do things differently.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frau Dietz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frau Dietz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second that, that bicycle-PA idea is absolutely brilliant. 

Focussing on small-scale collapse, I don&#039;t have a freezer, so I wouldn&#039;t miss that (well, not any more than I already do... I seem to have a permanent urge to freeze soup).  (incidentally: no fresh meat in a butcher&#039;s??  wtf??!)  Not having a fridge would definitely be a bit of an adjustment, though I suppose I&#039;d get used to it.  I guess I&#039;d then quite like regular access to a cow.  (For milk!!).

I&#039;m with you on missing a sewing machine and music and I&#039;d definitely need a very good wind-up charger for my camera... and I hate to say it but I&#039;d probably really miss my laptop: I type so very, very much faster than I can write by hand, but having said that, I would love to see a return to proper letter-writing, I adored it.

I went six months without a washing machine last year as we had to wait until we inherited one, and I tell you what, I know I could do it again, but you would have to prise the damn machine it out of my dead, clenched fists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that, that bicycle-PA idea is absolutely brilliant. </p>
<p>Focussing on small-scale collapse, I don&#8217;t have a freezer, so I wouldn&#8217;t miss that (well, not any more than I already do&#8230; I seem to have a permanent urge to freeze soup).  (incidentally: no fresh meat in a butcher&#8217;s??  wtf??!)  Not having a fridge would definitely be a bit of an adjustment, though I suppose I&#8217;d get used to it.  I guess I&#8217;d then quite like regular access to a cow.  (For milk!!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on missing a sewing machine and music and I&#8217;d definitely need a very good wind-up charger for my camera&#8230; and I hate to say it but I&#8217;d probably really miss my laptop: I type so very, very much faster than I can write by hand, but having said that, I would love to see a return to proper letter-writing, I adored it.</p>
<p>I went six months without a washing machine last year as we had to wait until we inherited one, and I tell you what, I know I could do it again, but you would have to prise the damn machine it out of my dead, clenched fists.</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2011/02/14/life-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-117825</link>
		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anton: That is frickin&#039; amazing.  That&#039;s launching all sorts of neat little fantasy scenarios in my head.  Music nights once a week where someone plays their favorite albums and runs the bike to run the stereo so everyone can get together and enjoy the prerecorded music they thought would  be immediately lost after a electricity grid crash situation.  Sometimes I really wish I was more handy with electricity stuff.  But I did manage to run the electricity in my wagon (with a ton of help and instruction I might add), and it wasn&#039;t all that hard in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anton: That is frickin&#8217; amazing.  That&#8217;s launching all sorts of neat little fantasy scenarios in my head.  Music nights once a week where someone plays their favorite albums and runs the bike to run the stereo so everyone can get together and enjoy the prerecorded music they thought would  be immediately lost after a electricity grid crash situation.  Sometimes I really wish I was more handy with electricity stuff.  But I did manage to run the electricity in my wagon (with a ton of help and instruction I might add), and it wasn&#8217;t all that hard in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[last summer we had in vienna a &quot;bicycle music festival&quot;, some us-bands were on tour by bike in europe (they crossed the ocean by ship), and some local bands joined. and the whole electricity for a big PA (enough for a crowd of maybe 100 or 200 people) came from 4 bikes! so 4 people from the crowd were always kicking the pedals to keep the music going. even when it started raining and everything was moving indoors, they still were not using any power from the wall...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQCa4ZvC8gg&amp;feature=player_embedded#at=165

i was really amazed that 4 people are enough to drive such a big PA! i think they had some big capacitors in between to store some power for a few minutes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last summer we had in vienna a &#8220;bicycle music festival&#8221;, some us-bands were on tour by bike in europe (they crossed the ocean by ship), and some local bands joined. and the whole electricity for a big PA (enough for a crowd of maybe 100 or 200 people) came from 4 bikes! so 4 people from the crowd were always kicking the pedals to keep the music going. even when it started raining and everything was moving indoors, they still were not using any power from the wall&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQCa4ZvC8gg&#038;feature=player_embedded#at=165" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQCa4ZvC8gg&#038;feature=player_embedded#at=165</a></p>
<p>i was really amazed that 4 people are enough to drive such a big PA! i think they had some big capacitors in between to store some power for a few minutes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Food regulations are all so very strange.  Well-intentioned, perhaps, but strange.  Sigh.

The candle-making and the pedal washing machine are def both on my to-learn list too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food regulations are all so very strange.  Well-intentioned, perhaps, but strange.  Sigh.</p>
<p>The candle-making and the pedal washing machine are def both on my to-learn list too.</p>
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		<title>By: fishinthewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishinthewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure what the actual reg is, but you can only get not-frozen meat at the grocery store.  All of the local butchers (all two of them) only sell frozen.  I&#039;ve asked the farmers a number of times about getting meat fresh, but they aren&#039;t allowed.  Which is dumb.  

Things I want to learn to do: 
Make candles for sure.
Make strings for instruments!
And I would second the bike pedaled washing machine.  I&#039;ve seen designs before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the actual reg is, but you can only get not-frozen meat at the grocery store.  All of the local butchers (all two of them) only sell frozen.  I&#8217;ve asked the farmers a number of times about getting meat fresh, but they aren&#8217;t allowed.  Which is dumb.  </p>
<p>Things I want to learn to do:<br />
Make candles for sure.<br />
Make strings for instruments!<br />
And I would second the bike pedaled washing machine.  I&#8217;ve seen designs before.</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2011/02/14/life-without-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-117797</link>
		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fishie: Can you not get fresh meat in the whole state??  Daaaamn.  Despite the fact that I don&#039;t eat meat, I am very used to butcher shops and fresh meat being very readily available.  Whoa.  

As for the sewing machine, I think that sewing machines and washing machines are two bits of technology that really do make our lives awesomer.  Handy though it is, I am of the opinion that my cell phone, for example, doesn&#039;t make my life any better (or worse) at the end of the day.

Moonwave: (Haha, now every time I go to type your name I have the urge to type &quot;moonshine.&quot;)  Would probably be a good call to learn how to build a washing machine that could be run by, say, pedaling a bike.  That to me still sounds much better than washing everything by hand.  Then again, I am so used to having a washing machine that perhaps that&#039;s just habit talking.  But I never much liked washing things by hand.

And good call on getting an instrument to deal with the loss of music in a situation like this.  I didn&#039;t even mention that.  I imagine that in a post-collapse situation a lot more people would be making their own music then they do now.

I generally focus on the small survival things when I contemplate a collapse because, really, who the hell knows what form it would take and what exactly would end up happening.  I quite enjoy reading post-apocalyptic literature because I find all the various scenarios so fascinating, as well as contemplating how I might manage to survive if I found myself in one of them.  If it comes to a collapse, the issue of survival (and the small things that could allow each of us to make it) will probably become the focal point of us lives, so why not think &quot;small&quot;?  At the very least it is an interesting exercise for the mind, and who knows what the future might bring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fishie: Can you not get fresh meat in the whole state??  Daaaamn.  Despite the fact that I don&#8217;t eat meat, I am very used to butcher shops and fresh meat being very readily available.  Whoa.  </p>
<p>As for the sewing machine, I think that sewing machines and washing machines are two bits of technology that really do make our lives awesomer.  Handy though it is, I am of the opinion that my cell phone, for example, doesn&#8217;t make my life any better (or worse) at the end of the day.</p>
<p>Moonwave: (Haha, now every time I go to type your name I have the urge to type &#8220;moonshine.&#8221;)  Would probably be a good call to learn how to build a washing machine that could be run by, say, pedaling a bike.  That to me still sounds much better than washing everything by hand.  Then again, I am so used to having a washing machine that perhaps that&#8217;s just habit talking.  But I never much liked washing things by hand.</p>
<p>And good call on getting an instrument to deal with the loss of music in a situation like this.  I didn&#8217;t even mention that.  I imagine that in a post-collapse situation a lot more people would be making their own music then they do now.</p>
<p>I generally focus on the small survival things when I contemplate a collapse because, really, who the hell knows what form it would take and what exactly would end up happening.  I quite enjoy reading post-apocalyptic literature because I find all the various scenarios so fascinating, as well as contemplating how I might manage to survive if I found myself in one of them.  If it comes to a collapse, the issue of survival (and the small things that could allow each of us to make it) will probably become the focal point of us lives, so why not think &#8220;small&#8221;?  At the very least it is an interesting exercise for the mind, and who knows what the future might bring.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonwaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonwaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Washing machine.  That has always been my big thing and there are plans to save up for a manually operated one as soona as I have spare money for things like saving rather than paying off debt.  

I only have a small freezer on top of my fridge but I would love to have a huge one and make proper use of it.  But if I had to, I suppose I would do without.  I do know how to make candles but without convenient little packs of paraffin wax to buy and at some stage presumably running out of remnants of old candles to use, my only option there is to start keeping bees.  One day.

Music is another thing I&#039;d miss so I really must get around to getting a ukulele soon, which is apparently very easy to learn.  The only sheet music I have is whatever I&#039;ve sung in choir over the years but I do also have notebooks with lyrics to songs written down in them - used to be much more fun to do that with tapes than it is with CDs though.  

I have to focus on those kind of &#039;small&#039; things though, rather than the bigger picture of what a chaos life would be in a collapse situation.  Easier to concentrate on the post-collapse, if you know what I mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washing machine.  That has always been my big thing and there are plans to save up for a manually operated one as soona as I have spare money for things like saving rather than paying off debt.  </p>
<p>I only have a small freezer on top of my fridge but I would love to have a huge one and make proper use of it.  But if I had to, I suppose I would do without.  I do know how to make candles but without convenient little packs of paraffin wax to buy and at some stage presumably running out of remnants of old candles to use, my only option there is to start keeping bees.  One day.</p>
<p>Music is another thing I&#8217;d miss so I really must get around to getting a ukulele soon, which is apparently very easy to learn.  The only sheet music I have is whatever I&#8217;ve sung in choir over the years but I do also have notebooks with lyrics to songs written down in them &#8211; used to be much more fun to do that with tapes than it is with CDs though.  </p>
<p>I have to focus on those kind of &#8216;small&#8217; things though, rather than the bigger picture of what a chaos life would be in a collapse situation.  Easier to concentrate on the post-collapse, if you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: fishinthewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishinthewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do often wish we could ditch the freezer.  My goal for next season is to get away from freezing vegetables and either can or ferment them all.  The issue is the meat- it&#039;s actually not allowed to sell meat fresh here, you have to sell it frozen.  Which is insane, but it also means we buy it in huge quantities and store it, which means we could never eat it fresh in time.  

Regardless I think I would miss my sewing machine the most, hands down...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do often wish we could ditch the freezer.  My goal for next season is to get away from freezing vegetables and either can or ferment them all.  The issue is the meat- it&#8217;s actually not allowed to sell meat fresh here, you have to sell it frozen.  Which is insane, but it also means we buy it in huge quantities and store it, which means we could never eat it fresh in time.  </p>
<p>Regardless I think I would miss my sewing machine the most, hands down&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was wondering this morning as this post went up whether readers would interpret the question of what they would miss most in a world without electricity on a larger scale than I addressed it here.  Because if considered on a larger scale there certainly would be a lot more to get used to (then I think my washing machine and stereo would be the least of my worries), and a whole lot of fucking chaos and unrest and death and awfulness to get through should things collapse completely.

All the more reason to really make some radical changes in the way we live now.  There are so many fantastic things about the world now, and there would be a lot lost and a lot of suffering if, instead of taking the initiative to live in a less destructive way immediately, we push everything to the limit until everything collapses in on itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering this morning as this post went up whether readers would interpret the question of what they would miss most in a world without electricity on a larger scale than I addressed it here.  Because if considered on a larger scale there certainly would be a lot more to get used to (then I think my washing machine and stereo would be the least of my worries), and a whole lot of fucking chaos and unrest and death and awfulness to get through should things collapse completely.</p>
<p>All the more reason to really make some radical changes in the way we live now.  There are so many fantastic things about the world now, and there would be a lot lost and a lot of suffering if, instead of taking the initiative to live in a less destructive way immediately, we push everything to the limit until everything collapses in on itself.</p>
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