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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2009/12/07/punk-rock-did-not-save-my-life/comment-page-1/#comment-77491</link>
		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of book recommendations along these lines, I recently (recently like last year sometime) read The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, and that was a pretty sweet one too.  The only problem I had with it is that the author totally flakes out of coming up with a real human-based plan to overthrow the government by putting an all-knowing super computer at the hands of the rebels.  But an exciting &quot;this is how revolution could work&quot; book all the same.  I love sci fi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of book recommendations along these lines, I recently (recently like last year sometime) read The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, and that was a pretty sweet one too.  The only problem I had with it is that the author totally flakes out of coming up with a real human-based plan to overthrow the government by putting an all-knowing super computer at the hands of the rebels.  But an exciting &#8220;this is how revolution could work&#8221; book all the same.  I love sci fi.</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2009/12/07/punk-rock-did-not-save-my-life/comment-page-1/#comment-77490</link>
		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill: I had a neatly written budget on the inside of my cabinet?  Damn, I don&#039;t even remember that.  But it would make sense.  I was all about making double and triple loan payments a month.

Rachele: Thanks for the response.  I gave away all my Quinn books to others who I thought should read them, and thus have never been able to go back and re-read and re-assess.  I imagine I would be much more critical at this point though, having come much further down the path of thought that I felt like he never took me far enough down.  Do you have any book recommendations for me?  It makes me really excited to meet (if you can call talking on a computer meeting) someone else for whom &quot;The Dispossessed&quot; was important.  Hurray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill: I had a neatly written budget on the inside of my cabinet?  Damn, I don&#8217;t even remember that.  But it would make sense.  I was all about making double and triple loan payments a month.</p>
<p>Rachele: Thanks for the response.  I gave away all my Quinn books to others who I thought should read them, and thus have never been able to go back and re-read and re-assess.  I imagine I would be much more critical at this point though, having come much further down the path of thought that I felt like he never took me far enough down.  Do you have any book recommendations for me?  It makes me really excited to meet (if you can call talking on a computer meeting) someone else for whom &#8220;The Dispossessed&#8221; was important.  Hurray!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, that certainly helps.  And yes, I remember how you lived down the street and I never saw you...and your beautifully-written budget taped to the inside of your kitchen cabinet (I glimpsed it; I did not spy).  I think of that often, actually, when I start to realize I need to reassess my own budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that certainly helps.  And yes, I remember how you lived down the street and I never saw you&#8230;and your beautifully-written budget taped to the inside of your kitchen cabinet (I glimpsed it; I did not spy).  I think of that often, actually, when I start to realize I need to reassess my own budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachele</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2009/12/07/punk-rock-did-not-save-my-life/comment-page-1/#comment-77418</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dispossessed is one of my life changers too. I identified myself as an anarchist long before I read the book, but it was the first coherent model I had found of what a successful anarchist society would actually look like.  I have passed around my copy to everyone who I thought might actually read it.

Ishmael was a good one too. Enchanting and thought-provoking for sure. But I reread it recently, and he keeps harping on about how feeding the hungry results in higher populations, and that is just patently untrue.  Feed the hungry and people start realizing they no longer have the motivations to keep breeding too many children - to work and bring in income, to tend the land, to take care of them when they get old, and to overcompensate for the children that will not make it, which in some places is inevitable.  So he makes a lot of great points, but in the end the gorilla skews the facts and comes off as deeply biased in his push for a return to nature. It has left me wondering where we fit into the ecosystem, when some of the laws that govern it seem to lose our hold on us when we reach a certain technological threshold and whether or not that is a positive thing. 

I&#039;ll have to check into some of those other authors; I&#039;ve been dying for something I can sink my teeth into properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dispossessed is one of my life changers too. I identified myself as an anarchist long before I read the book, but it was the first coherent model I had found of what a successful anarchist society would actually look like.  I have passed around my copy to everyone who I thought might actually read it.</p>
<p>Ishmael was a good one too. Enchanting and thought-provoking for sure. But I reread it recently, and he keeps harping on about how feeding the hungry results in higher populations, and that is just patently untrue.  Feed the hungry and people start realizing they no longer have the motivations to keep breeding too many children &#8211; to work and bring in income, to tend the land, to take care of them when they get old, and to overcompensate for the children that will not make it, which in some places is inevitable.  So he makes a lot of great points, but in the end the gorilla skews the facts and comes off as deeply biased in his push for a return to nature. It has left me wondering where we fit into the ecosystem, when some of the laws that govern it seem to lose our hold on us when we reach a certain technological threshold and whether or not that is a positive thing. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to check into some of those other authors; I&#8217;ve been dying for something I can sink my teeth into properly.</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2009/12/07/punk-rock-did-not-save-my-life/comment-page-1/#comment-77382</link>
		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it baffles me a little too, come to think of it.  I had cheap-ass rent because my mom and I moved into an apartment together and, well, remember how I lived down the street but nobody ever saw me that year?  It&#039;s because I didn&#039;t do shit except go running and lay in bed reading.  Aka I wasn&#039;t spending much money, but was making desk-job bank.  I didn&#039;t have a lot of loans left at that point, however, because my mom put most of the money that my grandfather left her when he died to covering the house-sized ones.  Long live Grandpa Ken and Mama Sue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it baffles me a little too, come to think of it.  I had cheap-ass rent because my mom and I moved into an apartment together and, well, remember how I lived down the street but nobody ever saw me that year?  It&#8217;s because I didn&#8217;t do shit except go running and lay in bed reading.  Aka I wasn&#8217;t spending much money, but was making desk-job bank.  I didn&#8217;t have a lot of loans left at that point, however, because my mom put most of the money that my grandfather left her when he died to covering the house-sized ones.  Long live Grandpa Ken and Mama Sue!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still cannot get over the fact that you were able to pay off your loans in a year.  Baffled, I am.  Simply baffled (and impressed, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still cannot get over the fact that you were able to pay off your loans in a year.  Baffled, I am.  Simply baffled (and impressed, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: clickclackgorilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>clickclackgorilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She sounds like a great lady, fenu.  And a terrible loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She sounds like a great lady, fenu.  And a terrible loss.</p>
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		<title>By: fenu</title>
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		<dc:creator>fenu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my heros is Kirsten Brydum, who was murdered in New Orleans, which makes me cry still, just remembering. Google &#039;Kirsten Brydum Memorial&#039; and you can read all about her, and the many things that she accomplished in her tragically short life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my heros is Kirsten Brydum, who was murdered in New Orleans, which makes me cry still, just remembering. Google &#8216;Kirsten Brydum Memorial&#8217; and you can read all about her, and the many things that she accomplished in her tragically short life.</p>
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