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	<title>Comments on: come not between the nazgul and the photocopier</title>
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	<description>tales of marauding, plundering, and international gorilla conspiracy</description>
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		<title>By: Snooker</title>
		<link>http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/2009/05/14/come-not-between-the-nazgul-and-the-photocopier/comment-page-1/#comment-52506</link>
		<dc:creator>Snooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely well-written story. 
Thanks for sharing it. 
As far as the copier Karma... um, I whole-heartedly believe that you are getting hit for what you did in Muellheim. What goes around, comes around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely well-written story.<br />
Thanks for sharing it.<br />
As far as the copier Karma&#8230; um, I whole-heartedly believe that you are getting hit for what you did in Muellheim. What goes around, comes around.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you write a book of adventures like these some day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you write a book of adventures like these some day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so in your Mulheim blog I interpreted your use of quotation marks around &quot;walked off to go to the ATM&quot; as an act of deliberate deception, and I missed the part about you having to leave the zine behind (maybe I did what my students do and I glossed over the sentence with &quot;pfand&quot; in it because I didn&#039;t know what it meant).  For this error I am very sorry.

As for the rest of it, this is something we will have to hash out in a different forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so in your Mulheim blog I interpreted your use of quotation marks around &#8220;walked off to go to the ATM&#8221; as an act of deliberate deception, and I missed the part about you having to leave the zine behind (maybe I did what my students do and I glossed over the sentence with &#8220;pfand&#8221; in it because I didn&#8217;t know what it meant).  For this error I am very sorry.</p>
<p>As for the rest of it, this is something we will have to hash out in a different forum.</p>
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		<title>By: doodle</title>
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		<dc:creator>doodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill-
Just a quick note to mention that the incident at the copy shop in Mülheim was not something I saw as &quot;getting back at the man.&quot;  Though I do take issue with monopolies and the fact that they enable business to charge whatever they damn well please (this was the only copy shop in town, and 40 cents per double sided copy is a price I have yet to see anywhere, ever).  When is what they are doing considered theft then?  Because it wouldn&#039;t take a lot of screw turning to see it from that perspective.

I didnt have the money to pay for the copies that day, so say I had said oh I&#039;m sorry I dont have the cash because I didn&#039;t notice that you had a seperate row listing double sided copies at the bottom of the price list, I, fool that I am, just looked at the price for normal old copies, silly me.  Then what would have happened?  The copies were made, the service rendered.  I walk away head hung low sans copies and they keep the papers and throw them away.  That doesn&#039;t make any sense either.  I&#039;m not sure there was any &quot;winning&quot; solution in that situation.

And I wouldn&#039;t write your comments off as sounding like &quot;my mother&quot;--why write off intelligent criticism and communication as &quot;motherly&quot; as if being motherly or being critical were negative things? The only thing that reminds me of a parent in the comment is the fact that I don&#039;t think you trusted that I have thought about things like this, and that my actions are based on a critical and long-thought-through set of thoughts that I would gladly talk your ear off about someday in person, though not in the internet, because it&#039;s the internet, legal reasons, etc etc.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill-<br />
Just a quick note to mention that the incident at the copy shop in Mülheim was not something I saw as &#8220;getting back at the man.&#8221;  Though I do take issue with monopolies and the fact that they enable business to charge whatever they damn well please (this was the only copy shop in town, and 40 cents per double sided copy is a price I have yet to see anywhere, ever).  When is what they are doing considered theft then?  Because it wouldn&#8217;t take a lot of screw turning to see it from that perspective.</p>
<p>I didnt have the money to pay for the copies that day, so say I had said oh I&#8217;m sorry I dont have the cash because I didn&#8217;t notice that you had a seperate row listing double sided copies at the bottom of the price list, I, fool that I am, just looked at the price for normal old copies, silly me.  Then what would have happened?  The copies were made, the service rendered.  I walk away head hung low sans copies and they keep the papers and throw them away.  That doesn&#8217;t make any sense either.  I&#8217;m not sure there was any &#8220;winning&#8221; solution in that situation.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t write your comments off as sounding like &#8220;my mother&#8221;&#8211;why write off intelligent criticism and communication as &#8220;motherly&#8221; as if being motherly or being critical were negative things? The only thing that reminds me of a parent in the comment is the fact that I don&#8217;t think you trusted that I have thought about things like this, and that my actions are based on a critical and long-thought-through set of thoughts that I would gladly talk your ear off about someday in person, though not in the internet, because it&#8217;s the internet, legal reasons, etc etc.<br />
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also glad you stood your ground, because a shoddy product is not a product worth paying for.  There are return policies for nearly all other goods rendered, so why not this one?  I would have done the same thing.

However, I have to be honest and say I take great issue with your swift denial that Karma was involved.  &quot;Stiffing&quot; the copy shop back in Mulheim was not an effective way of &quot;damning the man&quot;--in fact, small thefts like this actually damn the &quot;little man&quot;--the man who, like you, is just trying to get along in the world (and, like me, wants to have a paying job in order to accomplish that).  Though I have never worked retail, I am fairly certain that (in the USA, at least) workers, not store owners, are blamed for small thefts like a load of photocopying that wasn&#039;t paid for.  In fact, in the restaurant industry for example, the server is almost ALWAYS liable for any missing monies.  So stiffing a server or even a worker in a small copy shop probably penalizes that worker and not the faceless corporations you are trying to undermine.  

So, though I am not your mother and certainly not trying to sound like the ethics police (though that&#039;s exactly how this is sounding), please think carefully about whom you are actually harming when you flout the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also glad you stood your ground, because a shoddy product is not a product worth paying for.  There are return policies for nearly all other goods rendered, so why not this one?  I would have done the same thing.</p>
<p>However, I have to be honest and say I take great issue with your swift denial that Karma was involved.  &#8220;Stiffing&#8221; the copy shop back in Mulheim was not an effective way of &#8220;damning the man&#8221;&#8211;in fact, small thefts like this actually damn the &#8220;little man&#8221;&#8211;the man who, like you, is just trying to get along in the world (and, like me, wants to have a paying job in order to accomplish that).  Though I have never worked retail, I am fairly certain that (in the USA, at least) workers, not store owners, are blamed for small thefts like a load of photocopying that wasn&#8217;t paid for.  In fact, in the restaurant industry for example, the server is almost ALWAYS liable for any missing monies.  So stiffing a server or even a worker in a small copy shop probably penalizes that worker and not the faceless corporations you are trying to undermine.  </p>
<p>So, though I am not your mother and certainly not trying to sound like the ethics police (though that&#8217;s exactly how this is sounding), please think carefully about whom you are actually harming when you flout the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: ian in hamburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian in hamburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember those old hand-crank mimeograph machines, the kind that had the dark purple in mirror image on one side?  You&#039;d stick the paper on a roller and crank out your copies.  No flash, just a bit of smudge stain on the fingers.  I&#039;m feeling old.  It was back in Grade 6 and 7 in the early 70s we used to do that.  
All that to say I&#039;m glad you stood your ground. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember those old hand-crank mimeograph machines, the kind that had the dark purple in mirror image on one side?  You&#8217;d stick the paper on a roller and crank out your copies.  No flash, just a bit of smudge stain on the fingers.  I&#8217;m feeling old.  It was back in Grade 6 and 7 in the early 70s we used to do that.<br />
All that to say I&#8217;m glad you stood your ground. <img src='http://www.clickclackgorilla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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